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When is saving an old PC a great idea?

How Did We Get Here?

To be quite frank, greed. Corporate greed and all around nosiness. Large tech companies want to maximize profit and any company that deals in information or software wants more information. If a company can make you existing item obsolete, many times they will. For example, Livermore, CA has a firehouse with a hundred year old light bulb. Except to move it or a power outage, its been operating since 1901. One hundred twenty five years. How many other bulbs have been changed in that same building? If all products were designed to last forever, we would only change them when they went out of style, or a natural disaster.

Planned Obsolescence, I’m sure is a term you have heard and its a very real thing. My opinion is that the recent solid operating system with a ten in it’s name and the shortages of hardware coinciding with an Artificial Intelligence boom were not by accident. Perfectly serviceable hardware that would be of great use during a product shortage is now obsolete. The information company’s new product excludes that same older hardware. They can’t collect the same amount of information on you to train, you guessed it, AI.

But Why?

Currently the Western world is in a state where the fear of missing out is a real thing. We want the newest mobile phone or the biggest TV. We need to keep up with everyone else, and we post it all, for everyone to see. It’s almost mandatory to prove our worth to others. It’s what large corporations count on, so they find ways to make that happen.

They emphasize that if you don’t have the new product, their new product, you’re missing out. You will fall behind. No one wants to fall behind, so you enter the vicious cycle and buy the next new thing. Consequently, they make the next new thing allowing the large companies to make something that still works, obsolete.

Enter where we are today. Some large companies, in an effort to get more of your information, find themselves impeded by the very thing they tried to promote. In the case of a company that sells a very popular Operating System, I don’t need to name names, they have rendered a massive amount of older hardware incompatible at the same time component shortages make it difficult to upgrade or buy new PCs.

I don’t think this was an accident. Not that I’m a conspiracy theorist, but when you make older products non functioning and new hardware is expensive due to shortages for AI, corporations have a huge opportunity to profit off us while telling us it’s in our own best interest. Greed. Greed for profit on new parts and greed for your information so they can train AI to ‘give you what you want’.

What choice do we have?

Part of it is simple. If your tech does what you need it to do, wait out the rush and them pushing the narrative that you will miss out. They need everyone’s help, let them sweeten the deal. If you do end up missing something, maybe you didn’t really need it.

Another option is find a way to make do with a little less. Systems I build now may only have 16GB of RAM instead of 32, or maybe you can size down on storage until prices adjust. They need us to buy, and although they will get the eager, or maybe the desperate, a calm demeanor and a little patience may work to our advantage. It will eventually bring prices back down, and it may signal to some that we don’t really want them having all of our information; we can make our own decisions without AI’s help.

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Turning a dozen bad things into one great donation.

How did we get here?

The donation in this case, is a half dozen Optiplex PCs. I acquired these at a yard sale for the whopping sum of just ten bucks, and was convinced I could make something of them. Unknown at the time, there were going to be several factors that would keep most of that from happening. There is a link to the original blog, here.

I made progress in some areas, but soon found out why these machines ended up abandoned. The first issue is that they are very old by PC standards. In an age where consumer PCs work on 16 or 32 cores or threads, most of these had two. I also discovered that these were a BTX design instead of the now standard ATX. This means that the board was an inverted design, and the case was as well.

I couldn’t use the cases for anything else, and the PCs worked off of a nearly twenty year old design. Even trying to create a custom sleeper PC would be very difficult. Still, I managed to salvage a couple for upgrade and began repairing others by cannibalizing. It wasn’t what I was looking to do, but it got several working. It was then that the thought of a donation came to mind.

How did you fix them?

To answer that, I have to explain a bit about some of the actual issues. None had drives in them, but I got HDDs at the same yard sale. Several had bad power supplies and were missing memory, and still one other had a bad memory module. A bad stick of DDR2 tied me up for an extra hour or so of troubleshooting, but the donor PCs had plenty.

I also learned that older PCs are finicky about which port SATA cables are plugged in, and the Bios is not helpful at all. It seems that these older systems want you to plug things in in order. I couldn’t use SATA port 0 and 2 for instance, I had to use 0 and 1. That meant some cables weren’t long enough. Some had floppies, some didn’t. This was going to take a while.

I methodically moved through several steps including new batteries and testing SATA cables, until I got a PC working for every good HDD. That meant six working PCs, all with working drives, and all with a copy of windows 10. I wanted to use an older OS, but don’t have a copy of Win7 or XP to use, and they can always change it. The important part was to get everything working together and gut as few as possible.

It was long, and tedious, but by the end of a day and a half, I had six machines. All of them worked, all had good parts, and all were in good shape, even if they were old. The most important part in my case, was that all of them were off my shelves. I also had one PC that was a donor, but it cleared a lot of room.

You said a donation?

I did. Partially for selfish reasons, but it was also practical. They were taking up space, as were a lot of clothes. For that matter until this morning, so were a lot of boxes and packing material. The boxes, etc. could be recycled, but so couldn’t the PCs and clothes?

I determined last week, that one of the things that would happen in my mini break form work would be catching up on the stuff lying around. The pile of PCs ranked high on that list, so did the mail on my dining room table, and some other stuff, but that’s a different blog.

In the end, I had six working PCs, one that didn’t, and a box of clothes. There is also a Salvation Army donation center not far away. I loaded the car, drove down and I hope helped more than just myself. My goal is not to shift my burden, but to benefit someone besides myself. These are still useable and someone will get a decent computer to check email, or web games or file their taxes. The can’t serve that purpose for me.

I still do have a couple of the PCs. One, upgraded (in a way), one got turned into a sleeper build, video here, and at least two will be for an experiment. If the experiment succeeds, I’ll write about it. I also imagine there will be pics on the custom build page and at least one YouTube video. Speaking of that, here it the link to this story. Enjoy.

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In a hurry to waste time.

How did we get here?

It started simple enough, find an older PC online and upgrade it into a budget gaming PC. This can be done a variety of ways, but one of the most effective is buying an older PC and adding a video card. This can also be one of the most difficult. Don’t get in a hurry, I’ll explain.

Older office PCs usually have a processor, memory, power supply, and a case. They will occasionally have storage media and maybe even a video card. Even without a discrete or separate video card, the processor will usually have integrated graphics. Computers for offices and schools didn’t need to have power graphics rendering, but they may need high compute power. These are the PCs most useful for upgrade later.

Here comes the conundrum. There are a lot more mid range or low compute capable machines than powerful ones. If the PC was used on a network, it might not have storage, but those may also be small form factor(SFF). Counter intuitive to more modern machines, it’s cheaper to buy an older SFF than a full size, regardless of the processor. Many will also have weak power supplies. A full size graphics card won’t fit.

What does that have to do with being in a hurry?

I’m getting there, trust me.

The effort to try to find a full size PC with a powerful enough processor led me to not one, but two different PCs. One with an Intel i7 processor, and a small amount of memory. The other sold as non working, but a better case and motherboard. Both for the same price.

The non-working one included one very important piece of information that let me know it was a perfect fit, a picture of the current Basic Input/Output System, or BIOS. This PC worked, but didn’t have a storage drive. If I could combine the best of both, I would be very well off for a relatively small price. All I would need to add would be a graphics card. ( I would also need a better power supply, but that’s a different blog).

Armed with the best parts of the two boxes, I closed up the leftovers and tucked them away. I could always use them later. There was my mistake.

Instead of making sure all parts and pieces were secure, I shoved it off to the side and went about testing my ‘better’ PC. A short time later it occurred to me that I may be able to get parts on the cheap to make a second PC. When I went to pick up the parts machine, I knew my mistake. The heatsink for the processor had been allowed to freely smash the pins on the exposed CPU socket. My haste would now be costly. At the very least it would take hours to fix, at worst it would be ruined.

Can I salvage it?

As it turns out. It was able to be repaired. It took a razor, a staple, jeweler’s screwdriver, flashlight, and several hours of painstaking patience. Having already hurried through part of this project and fouled things up, it was time to be careful. Section by section I used the flashlight and another tool, reading glasses, to very carefully bend the tiny pins back to what I hoped were close enough to the correct positions. Many of the 1151 pins were correct, but a number of them were bent, some severely.

Section by section, row by row, pin by pin, I bent tiny contacts back, then very carefully installed a new CPU, and held my breath. The system posted and correctly identified the new processor, along with it’s specs, showing me that the five or ten minutes at the very beginning of this had been made up for after several hours.

I could have very well, just tossed all of it aside and taken the loss, but there was a lesson to learn. And now, a lesson to share. Sometimes, trying to save a few minutes, or in this case, being paired with carelessness, can be extremely costly. It’s a lesson I won’t soon forget.

The YouTube video for this will be published soon, but feel free to check out the channel, here.

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Are a dozen old PCs better than one new one?

How did we get here?

Your first question might be “How old are the old PCs?” The next question might then be “How new?” I’ll answer both, then I will explain a bit.

The twelve in question are Dell Optiplexes from 2008 through 2010, while the new one is pretty much anything from the past few years. Its a silly question with an obvious answer, but maybe it should be how I got them? They are the result of a yard sale find that cost ten dollars for the lot.

They range from Core 2 Duos and Pentiums to one PC that has an E8400 running with DDR3 memory. A quick test showed most of them booting up with four failing. Next will be to take the ones that didn’t, and see if things like a new CMOS battery will help. Most had low battery messages, and I suspect it to be a common them among them.

Are old PCs even worth the trouble?

Of course there will be more experiments and tests. I have a Q6600 Core 2 Quad with higher capacity DDR3 to try, but I may have to swap other parts to get at least one working. None of the machines has a power supply over 320W, so any GPU tinkering will keep that in mind. All will need thorough cleaning and new thermal paste.

Overall, it will be fun to find out which can be saved, if one can be my new server, and which can be turned into a more modern sleeper build with newer parts. That’s where the second question comes in. As it turns out, I have a few ways I can set up a sleeper with either intel or AMD. I might also be able to use AMD, Nvidia, or Intel as a video solution. It may look like a machine from 2010, but it certainly won’t behave like one.

What will I do with the others?

Many of the old PCs only have 2GB or 4GB of DDR2 memory, so I may sell the memory as a lot. I may also sell all of the processors as a lot with all of them being socket 775. The leftover parts will be set aside for recycling. The shipping might cost me a bit, but I should still stand to make more than the ten bucks it cost for the entire batch.

The other thing it definitely provides is content for multiple YouTube videos that will eventually find their way here. I’m also quite sure that if I can continue to commit to this blog again, some of the tests and experiments will end up being written about, so check back here soon. I’m sure it will be hours of entertainment, and if I can get a few working PCs, that will be a bonus.

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How old does a budget PC have to be?

How did we get here?

The term budget PC can actually be a bit misleading. It’s very possible to have an extremely high budget, where financial constraints don’t matter, but most of us think of budget as spending less money. Budgets are typically associated with financial management, and living within your means. Corporations and Governments also have to adhere to budgets, though the latter doesn’t seem to think they have to. (Different subject, altogether).

If you are a PC enthusiast at all, you are typically trying to get the best performance for the lowest price. This may come in the form of buying a part used, or in some cases, refurbished. It may also come in the form of buying a less expensive part, seeking to upgrade later. This works well for newer parts, but it becomes more difficult with older ones. But what if your PC has a mix of both?

Can a new graphics card do well with an older processor. Is it even practical? In some cases, yes. Pairing a newer RX 6400 graphics card with a sixth generation Intel i5 in a PC sold as ‘broken or parts only’ is an example. I planned to put a mid tier graphics card in it, but the case was small, and I needed a low profile option. Older low profile cards just don’t do the trick, but I took the risk and was able to fix it. With a graphics card and a few other things, we had a two hundred dollars gaming PC. I used both newer and older parts.

Well, there’s your answer. New and Old.

Well, yes and no. Obviously mixing the age of components isn’t our only option. Using a different case, allows for a better graphics card and for a bit more, we can have a better PC. Our challenge there is to have the money we spend, show in the performance. Does going from spending two hundred to three, give us at least fifty percent better gaming? Chances are that it won’t.

Now, in most cases, one of the easiest upgrades will be to use a solid state drive instead of the hard disk drive, so yes we are mixing old and new. The memory modules can be new, but built on the older technology, reliable, but for this argument, old. There is also an influx of remanufactured older technology emerge in graphics cards and motherboards. That’s a harder one to call, but I have to group that with the memory, old.

What about our budget PC?

It actually gets more complicated. Some newer platform parts are available for the same prices as newer remanufactured ones. Both Intel and AMD have options for CPUs and motherboards for a hundred USD or less, each. That makes the core of the platform not too much more expensive than older systems, with better performance. So, maybe the way to go is new parts.

The honest truth is, older parts don’t give much of an upgrade path, but finding an old workstation or a PC that is ‘broken or parts only’, could be a great find, if you are careful. In my case, I saw a few things in the photos that helped me diagnose the issue before I bought it, and a twenty dollar SSD made my starting price 60 USD. If the case were bigger, the whole gaming PC could have been less than 175 USD, and done quite well. The only problem I have now is what to do with it.

I am finding the more I buy to tinker with, the less shelf room I have. I don’t seem to sell them as quickly as I buy, test and shelve them. Maybe that’s a different blog. We are getting to a point where PCs from even a few years ago, though, might outlive their operating systems, presenting a different problem. These systems are still solid and can perform well. I guess to answer this question, we may have to wait to see how long the software itself is supported.

The video that prompted all of this is here, but here are others and I will have to make a playlist.

There is also more written on the 40 dollar PC here.